Karl de Leeuw Addiction – The Way Forward

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Karl de Leeuw Addiction – The Way Forward

In this interview, we discussed various topics including the need for media outlets to ask the right questions and engage in discussions, the increase in drug overdose deaths in the US and the need to address the underlying causes, the issue of gun violence in the US compared to the UK and South Africa, concerns about leadership and government experiments with drugs, the impact of the Vietnam War on soldiers, and a movie called "Woman Talking" that explores the choices women face in a society affected by drug rape. We also discussed the importance of maintaining a balanced pH level in the body, the link between food intolerances and hyperactivity in children, the importance of eating organic foods to avoid pesticides, and the concept of creation and interconnectedness. We also discussed the concept of the creator and different religions, the importance of understanding and accepting different belief systems, and the significance of seeking truth for oneself. The meeting concluded with a mention of a documentary on addiction and the importance of rejecting negative thoughts and believing in one's worthiness.


Action items

  1. Address the underlying causes of drug overdose deaths in the US.
  2. Explore the issue of gun violence in the US compared to the UK and South Africa.
  3. Investigate concerns about leadership and government experiments with drugs.
  4. Research the impact of the Vietnam War on soldiers.
  5. Watch the movie "Woman Talking" to understand the choices women face in a society affected by drug rape.
  6. Maintain a balanced pH level in the body.
  7. Investigate the link between food intolerances and hyperactivity in children.
  8. Encourage the consumption of organic foods to avoid pesticides.
  9. Explore the concept of creation and interconnectedness.
  10. Foster understanding and acceptance of different belief systems.
  11. Seek truth for oneself.
  12. Watch the documentary on addiction.
  13. Reject negative thoughts and believe in one's worthiness.

Karl de Leeuw

[00:00:00] Karl de Leeuw: The problem is those nine media massive outlets, they don't ask the right questions, um, because they're so scared. And this is where your trump card comes in. You are, you are willing to let someone like myself come up and ask questions and discussions that's not taking place in the, in the main media. And those outlets like CNN, or Fox, they don't want to ask questions. And so I've got, uh, four steps of how I see one can fix things. It's radical, it's whistle blowing, uh, some of it we've discussed, most of it we've discussed before. And you know, if anyone's listening, you know, buckle up and you know, uh, put your seatbelt on because, um, for the average American, most of this stuff we are gonna discuss now is not gonna make a lot of sense. But I'm a believer that, that this is the way forward. So I'm sort of going, dunno where things went wrong in the U.S., but there's a way to fix it and you have to have radical thinking if you wanna fix it no matter what.

[00:01:15] Ed Watters: That's right.

[00:01:17] Karl de Leeuw: Yes. And it is fixable and I've got missions to, to do my part. My butterfly effect, less is more. You can change one person's mind, you can change 2, 2, 4, 16, et cetera.

[00:01:33] Ed Watters: To overcome, you must educate. Educate not only yourself, but educate anyone seeking to learn. We are all Dead America, we can all learn something. To learn, we must challenge what we already understand. The way we do that is through conversation. Sometimes we have conversations with others, however, some of the best conversations happen with ourself. Reach out and challenge yourself; let's dive in and learn something right now.

[00:02:23] Today we have a returning guest, Karl de Leeuw. He is the world's foremost whistleblower and truth teller. Karl, could you give a brief history of yourself and let people know just a little about you, please?

[00:02:42] Karl de Leeuw: Yes, my background is that, um, this year I'm 60. I, uh, born in Pretoria, South Africa in the Dutch Reform Church. Most probably in apartheid years, in the sixties, was probably one of the most conservative churches in the world. And I'm now, I then went to the UK at age 25, I'm now in Dublin, Ireland. Um, And I used to be in the property industry for many years. I was a charter quantity surveyor, it's like an accountant in the building industry plus law. Um, but in 2011 I woke up, I lost everything, and then that woke me up. And I, then I never set out to write three books, but it turned out I wrote three books, uh, one on world peace called The Universe Code, one on Health called The Health Spring Code and one on Dyslexia

[00:03:35] called The Dyslexia Code. And the reason why I say I'm the foremost whistleblower in that, I whistleblow massively on UK corruption. I haven't even, uh, uh, you know, mentioned that to you. Um, but my three books still, and really all my other work, I see very much as whistle blowing because it's all, uh, we are doing everything wrong. And the great advantage I had when I set out is I knew nothing about anything. I started with a clean slate, so I had no preconceived ideas. No one pushed me in a direction. I just started researching and found what I believe is the truth.

[00:04:19] Ed Watters: You know, I wish more people would do that because once you do release those preconceived notions and you just let yourself be curious and don't stop until you find a solid answer for yourself, that's what we really need more of. And whistleblowers tend to get this bad reputation, but I find it's so needed within our society because it really brings out the truth that's happening. And if we all just shut up and put our heads in the sand, nothing is gonna change and the world just gets worse.

[00:05:05] We're gonna speak about drug addiction, where did it go wrong and why? You know, the world is just massively into drugs. And the devastating effects caused by drugs, it blew me away when I started researching some of this. And the numbers and how it really began to escalate in our modern day, it's, it's mind blowing. Karl, could you please let us know what your research tells us on drug addiction?

[00:05:47] Karl de Leeuw: Well, in 2021 I did a diploma, uh, yeah, in Dublin on, uh, addiction, you know, drug, alcohol, retail, et cetera, addiction. But it's mainly drug and alcohol addiction. And I did a little, uh, video that I know you've seen that hopefully you can attach as a little video that people can see, um, which I go into sort of the two models. So you've got the, um, disease, brain disease model, which, um, is supported by the US Drug Administration and it says that everything happens in the brain. Um, and then you've got the bio-psychosocial model, which is sort of Sigmund Freud and Carl Jung, where he goes back to childhood and says, there's all things that happened from before in your life and that, um, your environment.

[00:06:45] And from that, um, and then also you've got your first wave, which was your Pavlov dog and blowing the whistle. Your second wave was, NLP somehow grew out of that, uh, Neurolinguistic program. And then your third wave, you've got many different, uh, third waves. So that's where we are at. Um, but in, in that little diploma I did, most important thing I discovered in that, for me, was that Vietnam study. So for people that don't know in the sixties and seventies, uh, when the US soldiers went to, to Vietnam, when they came back and after Vietnam, 95% of the Vietnam soldiers kicked the habit of their drug, where they most, probably, most probably was heroin, and I forget what it was, addiction, within a year or two, 95%. And so that shows in the sixties and seventies when the US soldiers went away, when they came back to US society, US society must have been a nice society. So even though in the sixties you have the hippies and whatever they were doing, it must have been a good society because they, when they came back, they could give up their drug, uh, addiction. And it, um, one of the articles I sent you was that at that stage there was about 5,000 drug overdose deaths in the US per year.

[00:08:22] So that was on a population of about 200 million. So on a population of roughly say, 330 million, uh, currently, um, that would be sort of 8,000 or something. Let's call it 10,000 drug overdoses should be taking place if we were in the sixties, seventies life in the US. But currently it's a staggering hundred thousand people die of drug overdose every single year in the US. So it's 10 times where it should be compared to 1960's, 70's. So something went wrong and really I cannot even contemplate of how to sort of discuss what went wrong and, and that's not really what I, what I want to do today. I wanna sort of go into our previous, we have five previous chats, some of our previous chats. But just in a bit more summary, uh, point, but you know, in addition to that, um, you've now got the, I think it's the 2020 levels, there was 45,000 people died in the US from gun related, uh, um, killings. And you've got about, what, 600,000 mass shootings every year now in the US, this is quite standard. Um, you know, back, I mean, yeah, 20 years ago when you had the Dunblane massacre in Scotland in the UK, um, there was about, I don't know, I forget, 10, 20 kids were killed.

[00:09:55] The UK after that, just immediately, um, [00:10:00] had tightened the gun laws and, and it's very difficult to get a gun license. And, and you haven't got the same issues in the, in the US. And now in the US most people want guns, um, and it's very similar to where I grew up in South Africa. You know, gun violence is a big problem because people want to have protection. So in South Africa you've got like 30, 40% unemployment, therefore people need to steal to eat. People want to protect themselves so they have guns at home. When people steal, they steal the guns as well. So it's like a vicious circle and, and, uh, the US is in that same vicious circle. Um, and so yeah, the, the topic of today's talk is drug addiction, where did the US go wrong. Because somewhere, the US went wrong. And you know, in 19, I finished my studies in South Africa university of Pretoria in 1989.

[00:11:06] I didn't see any hope from South Africa at that point. I then went to London and literally the next year, I never knew it, Nelson Mandela was released from prison. In 92, you, you had the new government. So in a sense, I should have gone back to South Africa, uh, cause I, I believe in the new South Africa. Although having said that, it's dreadful too that the South African government has, um, voted, abstained against the, uh, Ukraine, you know, Russian illegal invasion of Ukraine. And now recently, this week I think it was, um, South Africa did drills, Navy drills. I used to be in South Africa Navy for two years, did Navy drills with the Russians. So South Africa has changed a little bit. But any case, um, when I was in 1989, I didn't see hope in South Africa. This is before things changed, as I mentioned.

[00:12:05] And I must say that if I'm looking at the US now from the side, I, I like watching, uh, programs to do with the US, it's like a, someone checking a golfer swing, using a golf analogy, someone swing. You can, if you are watching, if the, the coach is watching the person swinging, you can see the US has just got massive problems with their swing. Um, and you know, the statistic shows it.

[00:12:39] Ed Watters: Yeah. I'm with you there, Karl. You know, the US is backwards, it's really disturbing in many ways. And our leadership right now is not really the best. Let's, you know, I don't wanna disrespect anybody, but we, we do need to have leadership that understands the entirety of what's going on. And I, I personally feel that we don't have that leadership. And that's not to get political because I, I, I see everything left/ right, I, I try to bring it into the center. But the, the amount of change that occurred from the Vietnam War on, is very disturbing. When Nixon declared the war on drugs in America,

[00:13:39] I think it really bolstered drug addiction. And, and it, it, at that time we had the CIA bringing drugs in and, uh, hearsay through body bags. So when, when we have our government bringing drugs in, and that's not the first instance, it's not gonna be the last instance of that behavior, but it's like they're experimenting on us. And these experiments are used to actually enhince or enhance their power grab on society and, and the amount of drugs that were experimented with, it, it's just mind blowing.

[00:14:36] My, my research in that, real quick, uh, 1971, there was a book printed called Shooting Up, and this actually tells you so much about what was going on during that time. It says that 92% of these individuals were on alcohol, 69% was marijuana, 38% opium, 34% heroin, 25%, uh, amphetamines and 23% barbiturates. During the first part of the war, they actually allowed the vets to smoke marijuana and actually do drugs. This is disturbing in many ways because the behavior there was brought back with them. And it's very alarming that a lot of that is centralized in Harlem and that's black dominated, you know? So the experimentation and the delivery of

[00:16:00] the drugs, it's amazing. They themselves prescribed, the government, prescribed our soldiers Dexedrine, uh, steroids, uh, Thorazine, you know, these, these drugs really affect the mind. And how we were placed. Into a war that was pretty violent anyway, that, that had to really go to the head, to our men. And most of these men were actually boys that went over to war, that's what always happens. And the devastation that particularly the Vietnam vets faced, they came back to being spit on and being called baby killers. Uh, but these men went to war to protect what they perceived as American rights and responsibilities. So what our government does is mind blowing and I can go on for hours about this, it, it's crazy.

[00:17:30] Karl de Leeuw: Yeah. I think the, um, you know, I, to try and unravel what it, it, it is and, and what went wrong exactly. And, you know, you summed everything up there is, um, and, and, try and fix that, I think is a very different problem. So I want to put a very whistle blowing alternative to this. But just before I want to do that, I wanna say that I'm a, I'm a great believer in the US and, and, and, uh, leading the free world. Um, Ukraine now, uh, if the US then wasn't there, you know, no matter the UK or the Europe, the, the, there. The US, um, uh, um, you know, the money going to, to Ukraine is outweigh, is massively bigger than anyone else. Um, and, you know, I would like to see the US succeed. But, um, it's, it is, you know, so I mentioned South Africa where I didn't see any hope. Um, in the UK, in Ireland now, about two weeks ago, they released a movie called Women Talking and

[00:18:52] Ed Watters: I watched it last night.

[00:18:54] Karl de Leeuw: Okay. I'm glad that you watched it because for anyone now listening, if, if you haven't watched it, pause this and come back to it. Um, because I, we'll have to discuss this movie. And so correct me if I'm wrong in sort of explaining this movie and I'll just keep a quick snapshot. So it's a, it's based, it's fictional movie, but it's based on reality, uh, but fictionalized heavily. Um,

[00:19:23] Ed Watters: Yeah.

[00:19:24] Karl de Leeuw: Where this women in a society in Bolivia got drug rape, uh, uh, uh, drug, uh, raped. They got, says that they're given to them and then they got raped and they just wake up with these bruises and stuff like that. And then the men got, uh, evicted and, uh, got prison, but everything stayed the same. So the women voted, um, sort of secretly I think it was, either to stay and do nothing, stay and fight, change things, or leave. And then it [00:20:00] was a 50/ 50 sort of, uh, very close vote between stay and fight or leave. So three families sat in the barn and, as you've seen, it was like, what 90% was them sitting in this barn,

[00:20:11] kind of just pros and cons of, um, whether to stay and fight or leave. And as they discuss things, they come to the conclusion, and great acting. Uh, a lot of those act, uh, actors are not really even well known, but they did great acting. And at the end of the day, they decide to leave. And the reason why I thought that movie was so synchronistic right at this point in time is, because really, if I was sitting in the US and I was a US citizen, I would think to myself and, and, and you know, and I was somewhat 25 when I left South Africa.

[00:20:51] I think to myself, could I bring a family up in the US? And I would most probably say to myself, I can't do it in the city because of the overdose and the gun and your chance, you know, you stand of your child being killed, gun related or drug overdose. So I must probably think about going to a quiet place. Um, more to, I know your in a very, uh, rural area, um, or I would seriously consider leaving the US, Canada, come to Ireland, or UK, wherever. Um, because it is just, everything is stacked up against it.

[00:21:35] Ed Watters: Yes. I believe that too. You know, the, the stability within the United States is really diminishing very rapidly here. You've got, especially the younger age, where you know, it's hard to control the emotions and the hostilities that we brew within our societies. And the outbursts that we're seeing, you know, against our elders and women. It, it, it's really staggering right now and there's not a lot of men actually standing up speaking against it. And it's like we are breeding a society willing to be trampled on and that's dangerous. And as you know, you stated just a little earlier, the United States is that, you know, beacon of hope in the world and that's diminishing that glow, that light that we've always carried. It's tarnished and it's kind of being snuffed out.

[00:22:48] It's still there. There's a lot of people that understand what our media is putting out to us and all of this delusional thought, it's planned. So if we can actually come together and keep a right mind about us, we can actually combat these violent tendencies of society that, you know, I, I love guns. I, I'm a gun owner, I would find it hard to give my guns up. And I feel that way because of all the violence in America. And like you stated, it's this never ending vicious cycle of I've gotta protect and defend. But along with this attitude comes what we talked about with this diminishing society based on drugs. And a lot of our people are on different drugs.

[00:24:04] I, I don't even know what they're on now, but I do know there's these effects going on in society that's devastating. And when you do combine drugs, alcohol, and weapons, it's not a good combination. You stack that with all of the aggression that's being pushed in our media, that's even more of a hot box.

[00:24:33] Karl de Leeuw: Yeah.

[00:24:33] Ed Watters: I'm very concerned and worried about where the US is going and not in the long term, I, I'm talking in the short term. What's going, what's happening right now is very alarming.

[00:24:52] Karl de Leeuw: Yeah. The, the, one of the items I just, uh, thought of when you were talking is that, they interviewed Bernie Sanders recently. Yeah. In the UK, in, in London. And he said that there's nine media outlets in the US and, obviously you've got CNN, you've got Fox, sort of the two opposites, but he says that's not necessarily the problem. The problem is those nine media are massive outlets. They don't ask the right questions, um, because they're so scared.

[00:25:25] And this is where your trump card come in. You are, you are willing to let someone like myself come up and ask questions and discussions that's not taking place in the, in the main media. And those outlets like CNN or Fox, they don't want to ask questions. And so, I've got four steps of how I see one can fix things.

[00:25:51] It's radical, it's whistle blowing, uh, some of it we've discussed, most of it we've discussed before. And you know, if anyone's listening, you know, buckle up and you know, uh, put your seatbelt on because, um, for the average American, most of the stuff we are gonna discuss now is not gonna make a lot of sense. But I'm a believer that, that this is pave the way forward. So I'm sort of going, dunno where things went wrong in the US, but there's a way to fix it. And you have to have radical thinking if you wanna fix it no matter what.

[00:26:30] Ed Watters: That's right.

[00:26:32] Karl de Leeuw: Yes. And it is fixable and I've got missions to, to do my part, my butterfly effect, less is more. You can change one person's mind, you can change 2, 2, 4, 16, et cetera. Okay, number one. Number one, and I call it the foundation of a house. So I'm gonna discuss the foundation, then the structure, the walls, and then the roof. And then that's the three points and number four is sort of, um, I suppose the garden around the house.

[00:27:03] Um, so number one is health. We've had a discussion, a whole podcast on health, so I can't go into that. But, uh, my book is called The Health Spring Code. And chapter two, I discussed the Hunzakuts, H, U, H U N Z A K U T, Hunzakuts. Um, and they lived until the mid sixties completely disease free. And I then studied seven other longevity nations that live today as well.

[00:27:35] So the two other big ones are the Chinese in China and Okinawans in Japan, and they live disease free. But four US people in the fifties and sixties, studied the Hunzakuts. They went to Northern Pakistan on the Foothill Mountains. And one US doctor lived with them for seven years trying to figure out how do they do it because they don't know what a heart attack or stroke is,

[00:28:05] what's cancer? But you have to explain all these things to them. It's all documented in these four books I, I use for my research and fortunately I've got a video clip of them as well. And, but the upshot is that they ate organic, so I'm now 70% organic. And I reversed my asthma back in 2011 within nine months. I used to walk with, around with the Ventolin pump, so it's all possible. You know, just on as, matter, I, as, asthma. I've got a free program, uh, that I advertise on Google, and, um, I start off by saying, Every year there's about 400,000 people die of asthma every year. And it's a hundred percent avoidable, not 99.99, 100%. So what did the Hunzakuts not have in longevity

[00:28:56] nations? They cut out meat, dairy, and eggs, and pesticides, that I discussed. They had a little bit of meat in the winter months cause they didn't have refrigeration, but it was a very small portion. So they cutout meat, dairy, and eggs, so that's basically a vegan. Um, I went vegan, but then I changed my diet because I went for test, blood, urine, saliva test, and I found out certain mineral vitamins is lacking.

[00:29:22] So I added seafood. So there's a new name called Seagan and uh, which is fish, which is vegan plus fish. And I don't eat pollutants, I go for the ancient grains, there's actually a reason for it. So millet, buckwheat, and uh, quinoa and then I have rice and, and corn. Um, I cut out soy and there's a whole book, but that's basically the main thing.

[00:29:49] So I say the number one thing for the US is to go Seagan and cut out pesticides. [00:30:00] Uh, meat, dairy, and eggs are slightly alkaline before it enters the body, but uh, there's a PRAL score, we've discussed it before, P R A L. They're all acidic forming, so it's like an acidic battery of a car. It's highly spiky and that makes people very spiky. And where alkaline with, um, fruit and veg, whether they're acidic or alkaline, they, again, it's a PRAL score,

[00:30:31] Uh, alkaline forming body. And it's not cool, calm, alkaline battery. So the first thing to calm the US population and the world population down, but mainly the US because other places like the east already have a lot more on fruit and veg, is to go Seagan. And just one other, we can't go through all the things we've discussed before, is my chapter 11.

[00:30:58] I go into food intolerances. They take, the one study was 50, the other one was about 70 hyperactive kids. And what causes, if they've got food intolerances? It's milk and dairy, oranges, so oranges, there's another reason for it. All other, uh, fruit is fine except oranges and we can't go into reasons for that.

[00:31:23] But, um, what's the other one? Uh, refined sugars. So you have to get the sugars by fruit and veg or drinks, uh, fruit and veg drinks. Um, and there's something I also get out and interesting enough, the other thing in that research is, in mental institutions, they go in and they take people off this and pesticides.

[00:31:46] Pesticides, there's so many pesticides going around. And some of the people after a year walk out of the mental institution. So those pesticides, anything that's non-organic, it's got pesticides in them. These pesticides get trapped in your body so we have to go organic. And as I say, I'm at least now fortunately, in UK and Ireland,

[00:32:07] I shop at the cheapest supermarket called Lidl. I dunno if they're in the US but in, they're the cheapest. A lot of people don't even shop there because they don't wanna be seen to be there. And I eat mostly organic. Fortunately seafood that comes out of the sea, I don't eat any farm seafood. Um, mostly in tins and stuff,

[00:32:27] um, is all organic. Okay. People say there's a lot of, um, plastics now. I rather have that plastic go through my body than the meat, dairy, and eggs. Um, so yes, you can do it cheaply and it changes you completely. So that's number one, the US needs to get its foundation right. You've got all these fast food with pesticides in it, what you put in your body is what you become. That will make everyone relax,

[00:33:01] people will, it'll change. You know, I'm, my, I've got two friends in South Africa from school days. One is a butcher. I'm no, most Americans think, believe me, I come, South Africa is even a bigger meat, dairy, and egg consumer than the US. We even take biltong, I call it biltong, to rugby games. Um, you know, my father, I remember my stepfather, I remember for breakfast we had milk with eggs in it. Um, that, you know, so I know about all of this. So, but that's number one, get the foundation right. Any comments before we go to point two?

[00:33:39] Ed Watters: No, that's pretty solid. I like the first one. Let's, let's carry on with it.

[00:33:45] Karl de Leeuw: Okay. The second one is, and this is where the real, having the seatbelt on. But we've discussed it before on your program, is the structure, the walls of this house. And you know, I had to, I did a whole book on this called The Universe Code. But the two items, the main items that I picked out of this was, so in January, 2011, I went to an event by a guy called John Demartini.

[00:34:12] He's sort of one of the foremost life coaches in the world. And a three day event that's called Master Planning for Life. And I, um, I've now taken his work and I'm now, I did a diploma last year in coaching and mentoring and I've got a very much, less is more approach. And maybe in the future if we, if you can have me on again, I'll be very happy to talk about that. Because I've taken John's work, John Demartini, and also another guy, great guy, Keith Cunningham.

[00:34:43] He wrote a book called Keys To The Vault from Austin, Texas, and he used to have a, a event called Flying Solo, which is amazing. I took their work and I've added stuff and I've, turbocharged it and made it less is, is more. In any case, I was at John's event in, in Austin, Texas, January, 2011. For three days you're planning your life. 2000 questions in the seven areas of life, which would, they call The Wheel of Life. And um, spiritually, my main, I had five missions that came through, but my main mission was to uncover the mystery of the universe, and they are to tell the world.

[00:35:23] And at that stage, I didn't even know what the question meant, to be honest with you. But in September, 2011, I was working in Abu Dhabi UAE and I cracked it. And that's now my 10, um, 10 minute long mini documentary called Creator versus God. And

[00:35:48] so why do I mention this? Is we need to understand what is creation and what is God. And until we don't, understand that, and I know in time to come, because I can speak to the spirit world. I was taught at the college of psychic studies in London how to communicate with the spirit world. That what I'm, because I asked them, I came up with certain theories. I asked, the Creator, I can communicate with the Creator, because I asked to communicate with the Creator cause

[00:36:16] I can think big. Most people wanna speak to loved ones that passed away, angels, or Sensei masters, but I thought big. And so what is creation? Creation is Genesis and it's Allah in the Quran. Creation is, so we are all made of strings in string theory. So I, I immediately knew that the string, string theory, which is the smallest particle, I asked the Creator, is that the god particular they found in Cern.

[00:36:51] Between France and Switzerland, they have the Cern that they sent this, um, thing around. And they found the god particle, the exposome. And I asked the Creator, is the string, string theory the god particle? Now the god particle should be called a creator particle. The, the god particle is the wrong term, and the Creator said, Yes.

[00:37:14] So the string is so small, never, no one will see it, see it. But everything in our body and everything in the universe is made up of strings. And the string theory has been a hundred percent proven. But the new thing about it is, where I made the link, is that the string, string theory is the god particle and should be called the creator particle.

[00:37:33] And all we are, are just, just vibrating strings at different frequencies, and we're all interconnected. And that's why you and I and others can make a difference because you don't need, you only need, angel Creon says you only need half a percent of society. It's about 40 billion people, or 8 billion people currently to change the world because we are all interconnected.

[00:38:02] So, um, angel Creon also says, no, angel Margaret mentions there are people that's actually the, uh, the, uh, what's the center? I forget the center now that speaks to angel, uh, Creon in the States. Um, angel Creon says that, no, it's angel Margaret, sorry, that says that she compares it, the Creator to like a super computer.

[00:38:28] We are the laptops or the computers, the angels are the servers, and the Creator is a super computer. And the zeros and ones of the pseudo computer is just the strings, the string theory. So when you're talking about creation or Creator, people need to understand what they're praying to. That's what Allah is,

[00:38:51] that is what Creator is. You know, the, the Hindus know this, the Hindus see the Creator as omnipresent in everything. It's in the river Ganges, it's in the, uh, cow, it's all, it's everywhere and that is the Creator. And this can be proven, uh, by science, all of this. Uh, the spirit world, the Creator told me this. So for anyone listening now, if you really wanna, um, uh, go places, all of this is provable. Now,

[00:39:23] what is God? and oh, yes, just while we are on Creator, You've got the five main religions that make up 80 percent of humanity. Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. But if you believe in evolution, you can't only have one creator. So why all these religions, you know, fighting and, and this is all hard to make people relax, to make people understand.

[00:39:55] Because currently in, in the US, there's about 33rd of the US don't believe in anything [00:40:00] and, um, and then a big percentage of Christianity. And, okay, what is the God part, side? The God side is when we were seeded about 300,000 years ago by the Pleiadians. There's a star cluster called the Pleiades, they came to earth with fancy helicopters,

[00:40:25] I call it fancy helicopters, um, but that's UFOs. Reagan and Carter both seen UFOs, they were sitting in Air Force One whenever they saw them. There's, it, the footage has been released. The, the US government is keeping all of the secrets, they know all about this. And they seeded us and then left and came back at certain instances. And they purposefully, about 8,000 years ago, stopped coming to Earth because whenever they landed, locals saw them as gods.

[00:40:58] But they the gods, so Jehovah is like, I don't know, um, I have it in my many documentaries, like something like 9,000 years before Christ, Jehovah, the God was the leader of the Pleiadians, was a person like us, slightly bigger than us. They are our forefathers, they want us to succeed. And then you've got other gods, and currently El or Elohim,

[00:41:21] he's a person like you and me born. But they're far more advanced spiritually, mentally, and they can live like 2000 years, where we live much less. So that is God. God is, all of this can be proven, you know, it's, it's not, it's all provable and it will be proved in time to come. And I, I'm the top whistleblower of exposing this now. And some of it obviously is my innovation and asking the spirit world. Because once we can understand what created, creation is, the creator Allah and what God is, then humanity can start coming together.

[00:41:59] Because a lot of what's happening in the US is, now different faiths coming in and people being very un, you know, um, un, frightened. And there's nothing to be frightened about because it's all beautiful. And then the second one and part of this wall structure, the second point is Jesus in India. And we had a whole discussion about this, as you know, and, but the main point there is that the Quran very clearly says that Jesus never died on the cross.

[00:42:32] So this is the main seatbelt on stuff and I'm a Christian myself. But that's what the Quran says and I researched it heavily. And the Talmud of Jmmanuel, that's a book that needs to be carbon dated, says exactly the same. The life of Saint Issa is a book seen by five people in the Hemis monastery outside Leh in India,

[00:42:55] Ladakh, over like a hundred year period, and some have written books about it. The Life of Saint Issa shows, uh, explains Hindus for six years, quote Jesus, between the ages of 13 and 29, 6 years the Buddhist quote him. And then he went back to be crucified. He never died, he escaped through the secret back entrance. He was healed for three days in the, in the cave, in the tomb, and then there was a secret back entrance that he left and on the way to Damascus, north, going north in Syria,

[00:43:32] Saul or Paul saw him and thought it's spirit form, it must be in spirit form. And Jesus didn't wanna say, I'm not a spirit because he didn't wanna be crucified again. And he went east and he died in present day Srinagar, Kashmir. And that's one of my current missions, uh, the first one, health is one of my missions.

[00:43:52] I'm very much working on it. The second one on the structure walls. Uh, this year, hopefully I'll put off a 50 people event in Srinagar, Kashmir, uh, a test event, a pilot event to start world peace. Because I believe Jesus is the focal point for world peace because he actually combines the five main religions.

[00:44:14] And so whilst, and I'm a Christian, whilst Christians believe what's currently in the Bible and 20% of the Bible is incorrect, and things were removed. And the, the big thing is, is, is the uh, uh, Jesus on the cross. And whilst Christians believe that Jesus is the son of God and somehow sits on, below God on the throne somewhere.

[00:44:47] That then puts Jesus above the other four main religions, prophets. And Jesus is not, Jesus was a man just like you and me. But he had many incarnations. So many, um, so I believe in reincarnation and that book was taken out of the Old and New Testament and there's proof of that. I do, uh, talk about that in one of my documentaries.

[00:45:12] So, um, Jesus was on the same path as the Hindus would say, Lord Krishna. I studied Lord Krishna, it's one of the prophets. They say he was a God. He was a prophet, he was born. When I research it, we've got the date, we've got where he was born in Mathura. In a prison, his mother was in a prison. Then in Buddhism, you've got Buddha, obviously.

[00:45:35] I, I went to all the four places of Buddha, I went on the Budha trail. He was a very advanced soul, a very old soul like Jesus. In Jerusalem, you obviously got many prophets. Moses is one of them. Then in Christianity or Christian, uh, Jesus. And then in Islamic got Prophet Muhammad. So if Christians that make up over 60% of the US, uh, belief system, think that their prophet, prophet Jesus is better than the other prophets, it's not true.

[00:46:06] And this truth will start making people relax, so that they can get on with other societies. And you know, there's now caste systems coming in, in the Sabha. Just this week I think the law has been passed on the caste system coming from India because different people see themselves as differently. Um, so yes, on the point two, that to me is the biggest two points that people need to understand, what is Creator, what is God, and understanding that Jesus was a person. A very advanced soul, an amazing soul, and that Jesus is the focal point, in my view, for all world peace to kick off.

[00:46:50] Ed Watters: Yeah. Very interesting. Uh, and by the way, we will have this in the show notes below. Uh, hit the good information that's in the PDF that Karl sent. You know, religion is one of the major, major influences in the world today, and it has been since the beginning of time. And the confusion in all of the division because of the religious viewpoints of man.

[00:47:34] It really is a personal journey that each of us have to travel and we have to identify our truth. And if you're not able and capable of looking at these other sources of information or viewpoints, whatever you wanna call that information, it's still information that completes us in many ways. If, if you're not aware of what other people are thinking, especially about religion, you're kind of empty and you're not complete.

[00:48:19] So I encourage people to look at these different sources and identify your truth and be solid in your truth. Not what everybody else tells you the truth is. I, I find that's very important in the world and I'm, I'm very glad that you've got that in your four part solution because it is one of the major things that drives everything in our world.

[00:48:56] Karl de Leeuw: Yeah, just when you were talking, I was just thinking, if you are a Christian, the way to do it is to say, What happened if I grew up in Saudi Arabia as a Muslim?

[00:49:06] Ed Watters: Right.

[00:49:07] Karl de Leeuw: You know, would I have believed in, in, um, Prophet muhammad? Yes. So it's, it's, it's, we need, we need the truth now, it's time for truth. The truth will set us free and,

[00:49:20] Ed Watters: Yes.

[00:49:21] Karl de Leeuw: um, when I did my seven year research, I, uh, half a million words, what I called my workbook, and then it took me six months. I wasn't working, I was just working 18 hours a day just removing two thirds. And what was left was the truth. I, it was like a puzzle, a 20 piece puzzle. I could, cause I got 21 chapters, so, you know, 21 chapters and everything. All the pieces fitted and

[00:49:49] if people research it, and they can for themselves, cause one of the Kabbalistic secrets is that you've gotta earn your own way. You've gotta find this truth for yourself [00:50:00] that, hang on, perhaps what I've been taught in Christianity is not fully the truth. And I'm the biggest proponent of Jesus Christ.

[00:50:10] But we need the truth and the, the truth will set us free. Um, the third one is the roof, and yeah, it's very, very simple. Um, and I've added the fourth one since the show notes I sent you, but the third one is love thy neighbor. You know, the Hunzakuts in, in Northern Pakistan, they, they were, they loved everyone.

[00:50:38] They had this peaceful life, they just, you know, um, they were looking out for each other. And you just gotta do your little butterfly effect. Don't believe, believe that you can make a difference, and love people around you, and do your bit to help society because that will help society change, the US change.

[00:51:01] And it's obviously not just the US, I'm talking all over the world. Um, because once you have that attitude, and uh, I study Kabbalah, kabbalah.com for three years, hectically. And now part of my teaching, of my coaching and mentoring, uh, my third tool I give to people, I say, Study Kabbalah for four months and then stop.

[00:51:25] So I study, Kabbalah has got the Zohar, which is the secret of the Old Testament. And it's got something like, I don't know, 14 chapters, uh, thick books, I read through all of them. I went to two events in Warsaw, Poland. I went, I had a teacher, I did a lot of courses and whatever. And I say to people now, just listen to their videos.

[00:51:45] Go online for four months, listen to two videos at least a day. And do Kabbalah one, two, and three on there. And there'll be funny words, but um, one of the kabbalistic secrets, so I say, You know, so, so I'm not a Kabbalist myself, but I went into Kabbalah to get the truth. Kabbalah, Kabbalists, uh, have, I dunno if it's left or right arm, uh uh, red arm bands.

[00:52:14] Um, I'm not a kabbalist, but I went to go and find out the secrets of the Old Testament. And one of the secrets is that you need to earn your own way. So go out there, research it, read my book, The Universe Code. Um, it, uh, it's got fascinating information in there. And then, um, the fourth one, and, uh, no, I had, I think I had it in the show notes is, so the Kabbalistic group that I went to, on was, just so happens to be the same group that Madonna, uh, you know, the singer Madonna was, uh, is on. And

[00:52:51] that's kabbalah.com. And their main leader before I joined was a guy, and he's now passed away, he's called Rav Berg. Then he had his wife, American lady that he met, she wasn't a Kabbalist, Karen Berg. I met her but she's passed away now. And now the leader is a guy called Michael, Michael Berg. But Rav Berg, which used to be the leader,

[00:53:13] so one of the top Kabbalists the world's ever produced. They asked him once, Of all the secrets of kabbalah, what is the most important thing? And I think this one, for someone on, for everyone, every person listening, but certainly people on drug or alcohol or any addiction, this is very important and this is why I'm closing now.

[00:53:37] Um, he's, they, they asked him, What's the most important thing? And what he said is, reject, reject, reject. So the Kabbalists, um, call Lucifer or Satan, they call him, uh, the opposition, which is actually a better word. Because the Creator first made Lucifer, the angel, and then the other angels, and then put us in charge of the angels.

[00:54:03] And you need the opposite yin and yang. So the opposition tricks us, puts those negative thoughts in our mind. And it, and they are for life lessons. And you cannot have life lessons if someone, if the opposition is not tricking because your whole purpose is to, is to expand the vibration of the universe through life lessons and learning.

[00:54:27] And so what Rav Berg said is, reject, reject, reject. So if you are drug addictor, you, Ed, I, Karl, cannot do it for the drug, the person that's on that drug addiction. They have to do it for themselves. So you have to through thoughts, know it's the opposition, Lucifer, that's putting those thoughts and reject, reject, reject.

[00:54:53] Now it's hard because you are in a society, we need to change all these other things. Um, and then the last thing I wanna say is, Um, I did a little mini documentary on addiction, The Way Forward, um, and hopefully, if you don't mind putting it in the show notes, that would be appreciated.

[00:55:11] Ed Watters: Yes, uh, everything that you've sent me, I will have in the section below in the show notes. And, you know, it's, it's fascinating that we isolate ourselves in so many ways. And the truth is out there, you've just gotta find it. And what we determine truth, you'll know it when you find it. That's, that's the very interesting part of it. And if you allow these forces, these voices in our heads, the opposition to tell us that we're not worthy, well, you'll believe it. And I like that reject, reject, reject. It's, it's one of those things that you have to do in many ways to keep going forward on this trail of life. So Karl, you know, every time you come, it's fascinating and some great information gets shared. Tell people how you can be found and if you have a call to action, would you share that with us also?

[00:56:30] Karl de Leeuw: Yeah. To find me, I'm on lightsurfers.me,.me. Light, as in light of the Creator, surfers, as is surfing the wave, all one word, .me. And if you can put that on the show notes. My call to uh, action is speak the truth. I'll say, You know, people are coach and mentor as well now, I do it for free. And uh, it's my butterfly effect things.

[00:56:57] And I say to people, even if you gotta go to jail, speak the truth. Because we come for life lessons to this earth and then we go. If we don't learn in this lifetime, you have to come back and learn everything again. You don't progress as a soul. So yeah, speak the truth. The truth will set us free.

[00:57:17] Ed Watters: That's right. Uh, Nelson Mandela. It's, it's one of those things, you gotta go to jail once in a while to prove a point. It's how we go to jail that matters and why we go to jail. So, you know, our life is filled with ventures and adventures, make it worth living and do your due diligence. Karl, as always, I wanna say thank you for being part of Dead America and being with us and sharing your story here today with us.

[00:57:54] Karl de Leeuw: Thank you.

[00:57:58] Ed Watters: Thank you for joining us today. If you found this podcast enlightening, entertaining, educational in any way, please share, like, subscribe, and join us right back here next week for another great episode of Dead America Podcast. I'm Ed Watters your host, enjoy your afternoon wherever you may be.

Past episodes with Karl


Links for Karl de Leeuw

EMAIL karl@deleeuw.ie


The Healthspring Code: https://www.lllnow.info/asthma/


The Dyslexia Code: https://www.icd.world/dyslexia/


The Universe Code: https://www.onesouls.co/worldpeaceaddiction/


Lightsurfers      https://www.lightsurfers.me/


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