I loved our discussion; it is filled with many powerful messages that will inspire you to find a better way. Ana Lennyr is a relationship mentor and an anti-depression expert. I love how strong Ana presents her message. If we want to change, we must get to the point, and Ana does this well. You want an excellent strong coach that will hold you accountable for what you are trying to achieve in life.
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[00:00:00] Ana Lennyr: Just ask the doctor, how long do I take, have to take this medicine until I'm all fixed? Or ask the therapist, what skills do I have to work with my child, right? Or how long do I have to stay in therapy until I see results? And when you gonna get your answers, right? But one of my mental,
[00:00:41] Ed Watters: That's right.
[00:00:47] Ed Watters: To overcome you must educate. Educate not only yourself, but educate anyone seeking to learn. We are all Dead America, we can all learn something. To learn, we must challenge what we already understand, the way we do that is through conversation. Sometimes we have conversations with others, however, some of the best conversations happen with ourself. Reach out and challenge yourself. Let's dive in and learn something right now.
[00:01:38] Ed Watters: Today, our guest is Ana Lennyr, Ana, could you please introduce yourself and let people know just a little more about you, please?
[00:01:49] Ana Lennyr: Thank you for inviting me to your podcast. My name is Ana Lennyr and I am a life strategist and nobody knows what that is exactly, but, um, just to make it, uh, very short, I am a relationship mentor and an anti-depression expert.
[00:02:06] Ed Watters: That's, that's some big words right there, Ana, anti depression expert. Tell us a little bit and explain that to us, please.
[00:02:17] Ana Lennyr: Yeah. So, uh, I have struggled like many people in the world with depression since the age of seven. I suffered for it for 27 years of my life, I was suicidal at 19. I started psychology to try to help myself and my mother who was an alcoholic, didn't succeed it.
[00:02:34] Ana Lennyr: And at the age of 38, I found the formula to overcome depression and I succeeded to do that in seven months. Not only to do that, but to take my own child out of depression because, um, unconsciously, I slipped him in depression. I mean, I didn't wanna do it, but he just, you know, it, this is how it is sometimes when a member is in the family, in this situation, everybody goes down with them,
[00:02:57] Ana Lennyr: right? So, um, now I teach this formula for people who are interested in overcoming depression. But more important, I reverse engineered the formula to prevent this condition from ever happening again, specifically for teenagers and young adults.
[00:03:18] Ed Watters: So a formula that you can actually get rid of depression,
[00:03:24] Ana Lennyr: Yes.
[00:03:25] Ed Watters: That's, that's what you're claiming?
[00:03:27] Ana Lennyr: Yes.
[00:03:28] Ana Lennyr: So I call it, True Secrets On How To Overcome Depression, that's how I call it.
[00:03:33] Ed Watters: And, and how long does this take? Is it a continual thing or is it a class that you take? How does that work for people?
[00:03:42] Ana Lennyr: So, um, it's, it's set up in different programs, but theoretically it takes between three to seven months depending on how bad you are. Now, if you just want to prevent depression for a young adult, that takes less than six weeks.
[00:03:57] Ana Lennyr: So it's very, very simple to prevent this condition from ever happening again. Instead of, you know, going down the route for six months to fix it. Nevertheless, anxiety and depression are both fixable conditions and this is what's the amazing thing about it because we didn't know this, I didn't know this.
[00:04:16] Ana Lennyr: Um, I mean, all my members of my family died from being alcoholics, being depressed. I almost died from suicide. So these kind of things, we didn't know they exist.
[00:04:28] Ed Watters: Yeah. You know, I, I come from a background where my father was an extreme alcoholic, uh, and my stepfather's, big line of alcoholism, drugs, and with that comes a lot of different types of abuse.
[00:04:45] Ed Watters: You know, it's not just physical abuse always, there's a lot of mental abuse that goes on. And, uh, how do you say it? Uh, people being left out [00:05:00] of the family a lot of the times because they don't quite fit in per se. How, how did that affect you?
[00:05:11] Ana Lennyr: Yeah. And because the family doesn't know how to help them either, right?
[00:05:16] Ed Watters: Yes.
[00:05:17] Ana Lennyr: So these are issues that, you know, I, I, I joke and I said, how, how do you do this all? I'm like, I'm building amazing family relationships because these kind of conditions and problems, they only separate the family level. And then you are feeling misunderstood and separated outside in the world,
[00:05:37] Ana Lennyr: right? So, uh, this is one of my main issues as my mother was an alcoholic and in the same time, she was a famous teacher in my town, so I was ashamed, right? Of having a famous teacher in town, but she's the only one who was studying Latin and teaching students Latin, and ancient Greek, and stuff like that
[00:05:59] Ana Lennyr: and she was an alcoholic and I was her daughter, right? So it was that confliction between you should be proud of your mom because she's an extremely accomplished person, intellectual speaking, but I'm not proud because she stinks from alcohol, right? So I'm ashamed of her and this brought in so much contradiction in my life, in my head.
[00:06:21] Ana Lennyr: But at the age of 19, I took 41 sleeping pills because I did not know how to balance it all, right? How to save her, how to save me, right? And these kind of things we're trying to avoid, specifically for teenagers and young adults, than these kind of contradictions, about how do they handle their emotional balance and how do they find their identity?
[00:06:46] Ana Lennyr: Even if one parent is not perfect because many parents are not, right? Or how do you find that, you know, glimpse of uniting people, not send them to therapy where they like the therapist better than the parent. But uniting them in the family unit because nobody else should raise your child with the values
[00:07:08] Ed Watters: That's right.
[00:07:37] Ana Lennyr: it was somehow separated emotionally or at the identity level.
[00:07:43] Ed Watters: And, and, you know, that causes avoidance in a lot of areas of our life. And when we turn to that avoidance, we turn to drugs, alcohol, or other forms of abusive behavior to ourself because actually I find that's what I found comfortable. Uh, it was
[00:08:06] Ed Watters: well known to me, so I didn't have to feel outside. But even though I was inside, I did actually feel outside of my family, my friends, my community. And that, that's how I dealt with it was avoidance, I avoided everything.
[00:08:32] Ana Lennyr: You didn't have a choice because you see, once you see a pattern of suffering, let's say that you see it and you, the, the, the click moments are puberty,
[00:08:41] Ana Lennyr: so somewhere between 6 and 25, if you see a pattern, a full circle of suffering, this is how you're gonna project your world from now on. And guess what? Until the age of 75, you have two more cycles to live, right? So for you, reality is that one cycle up to the age of 25, oh, life is suffering, oh, life is pain.
[00:09:03] Ana Lennyr: You know, these people are drinking, well, the only thing I'm not gonna do is not drink. But you don't realize that you don't drink, but you still bring the suffering with you, right?
[00:09:13] Ed Watters: Yes.
[00:09:13] Ana Lennyr: So for me, for example, I thought that not being an alcoholic, I won the lottery. I'm not joking, I was like, I succeeded in life, I was not an alcoholic.
[00:09:22] Ana Lennyr: And at the age of 38 I found myself, uh, no, I'm depressed, I'm still suicidal, I have a kid depressed, and I might die in one day because of diseases I developed out of suffering, specifically liver conditions, right? Even if I wasn't drinking. And then I'm like, I haven't won anything, I'm about to die at 38,
[00:09:42] Ana Lennyr: right? So little things like that, that, when that, that cycle, exactly like you mentioned, exactly like you described it, where you wanted to run away from it and you felt not okay. Not even inside it, you still felt left outside, right? Because you fought, you knew it's not normal, [00:10:00] but you didn't see another cycle. When that cycle solidifies for a child, for a young adult,
[00:10:06] Ana Lennyr: that's it, they're gonna keep repeating it. And then you're wondering why every 40 seconds somebody kills themselves on this planet between the age of 14 and 44, right?
[00:10:18] Ed Watters: Yeah.
[00:10:18] Ana Lennyr: And this is, this is how it is. Cause I was, I was talking about it on stage, uh, with Jillian Michaels, a fitness guru, and with Jesse Cole, and with JT Foxx just in December.
[00:10:29] Ana Lennyr: And trust me, they do not want no, nobody wants to hear this, but it's the truth, if we don't face the truth, we cannot solve any kind of problems. If we are avoiding, like you said, and the only reason why you avoid it was because you did not know how to fix it, okay? This is the truth, if you would have known how to fix it, you would've gone full throttle,
[00:10:52] Ana Lennyr: let me fix this and be done with it, right? But you know, you avoided it and sometimes you put on masks and then I hear people saying, well, my environment at work is toxic. No, they're a bunch of hurt people, okay?
[00:11:07] Ed Watters: Yes. Yes.
[00:11:07] Ana Lennyr: You put on all kind of masks, and they have their own problems, and they don't even hear you because they have children at home and they have spouses at home with all kind of issues.
[00:11:41] Ana Lennyr: You can't find your purpose in life, you can't find your true potential, you know, it's down there, you just don't know how to open it up and use it.
[00:11:50] Ed Watters: Yeah. You know, and, and what you stated there, truth, that, that really set me free, truth will set you free.
[00:11:58] Ana Lennyr: Yes.
[00:11:59] Ed Watters: And, you know, facing that truth was some of the hardest moments of my life. And my wife and I, we've been married since 1985, uh, been together since 1983
[00:12:13] Ed Watters: and there's been some very rocky roads in that timeframe. And there's many, many times I wanted to run from it, avoid it because that's what I knew, you know, get away, go away. Uh, and I tried to separate us in that uh, instance. You know, I, I did not want to own up to, the truth of the matter is I had responsibility, now
[00:12:46] Ed Watters: I had somebody else in my life that I was kind of responsible for not only physically, but mentally also. And how I handled that wasn't always the best. Coming out of depression is not easy if you're trying to do it alone.
[00:13:12] Ana Lennyr: No.
[00:13:13] Ed Watters: How, how did you find the help to get out of your own head?
[00:13:19] Ana Lennyr: So, it's actually not even your own head,
[00:13:22] Ana Lennyr: it's actually your own heart that you closed in because of so much pain, right? So this is, what's an amazing thing about it, cause everybody thinks that, oh, depression is a mental illness. I'm like, no, depression is deep, heavy and unresolved emotional wounding where we're trying to survive the pain. And yes, they do have an impact on your brain when this is the only cycle you know,
[00:13:47] Ana Lennyr: right? You don't even see the world, okay, it is almost impossible. I haven't seen anybody who did it by themselves, I have to be honest with you, okay. Uh, I had four mentors and the reason why I hired four mentors is because I was in so much pain and I needed to get out immediately. Cause I was diagnosed with a disease that could kill me overnight.
[00:14:09] Ana Lennyr: And I went and told them that I wanna live one week happy before I die. That's all I want, to live one week happy before I die. And they were starting laughing at me, it's been over seven years now. you know, and, um, yeah, so I, I had four mentors to walk me from the land of suffering towards the land of living, because you will be surprised that they're are two different worlds,
[00:14:40] Ana Lennyr: right? So today our motto is master the game of life because you mastered by now the game of suffering and I was the queen of suffering out there, right? But you don't even know that another life exists, that another page exists of your life [00:15:00] when you only saw suffering around you. So yes, it is almost impossible to do it by yourself.
[00:15:06] Ana Lennyr: Nevertheless, for anybody who's interested, um, uh, we have free resources for whoever is interested in taking the journey. Um, it's not a rocket science, it's very simple. I made it extremely simple for people explaining exactly what we need to do because everybody deserves a chance to get out of this pain.
[00:15:52] Ed Watters: Yeah, those excuses, they're, they're really easy to use. And we, when we actually figure out we can get rid of those excuses and just own up to our own self, it's amazing. And it makes you feel so much better, so much better. You know, I can, I can really relate to where you've come from in your life, your story resonates so well with me.
[00:16:22] Ed Watters: Uh, how, how do you, how do you put yourself out there now? And does it help you in your own psyche when you're out here talking to people, helping people figure their own problems out?
[00:16:43] Ana Lennyr: So we don't do, you know, um, um, how should I say, the fashionable thing would be therapy, right? That doesn't work cause it's already proven that doesn't work.
[00:16:53] Ana Lennyr: I did that one years ago, first I forgot it, it didn't work, I was too depressed but, so everybody thinks that they come to me and they tell me their sad story. And I said, I don't care. And they said, what do you mean? I, I don't care, I know you have five levels of pain, which one of these you think you have?
[00:17:10] Ana Lennyr: They're like, oh, maybe one, maybe two, maybe three, maybe four, maybe all five. Like, I don't care how many you have, we're gonna get you out through all five. But you have to make the decision to take this journey. And it's not going to be easy to own up to all five levels of pain, right? Cause they're only five, there's rejection, abandonment, humiliation, betrayal, and injustice.
[00:17:36] Ana Lennyr: There are only five of them and some of them, they're not ready. And I tell them, sorry, you, I guess you need to suffer some more, okay, because you are not ready. We cannot take you in. But some of them they're like, I don't care if you ask me to eat dog poop, I'm gonna do it because they're at that level where they're sick and tired of being sick and tired.
[00:18:01] Ana Lennyr: They tried everything, they saw that it doesn't work. And now they come to me with empty minded. You saw everything that doesn't work, everything that society tells you that doesn't work. And now you are ready to take the steps. And, uh, we see more and more parents willing to own up to helping their children out of this situation because they saw so many suicides,
[00:18:28] Ana Lennyr: so many alcoholics at young age, so many drug addicts, and even just losing their children. Because I have to be honest with you, everybody that comes to me in depression, they blame their parents. Everybody at some point says my parent was this and that, if they wouldn't have been like that, I wouldn't have suffered all my life.
[00:18:51] Ana Lennyr: So the idea here is to reunite the parents and the child, okay. So they understand each other, not in pain, but in different values and in different things they wanna do in life and their different purposes. And a lot of times it's as simple as listen to your child. It's as simple to listen to what your child wants, not what you think they want.
[00:19:17] Ana Lennyr: Sometimes that simple, to get together and to have an amazing family relationship and to help yourself out to have your child as your accountability partner, it's amazing. How simple can it be?
[00:19:34] Ed Watters: Yeah. You know, coming from poverty, that's, that's a lot of where people put blame on a lot of this, you know, psychological or mental health issues that we all face.
[00:19:51] Ed Watters: But the key here is we all face the same similarities no matter if we're rich or we're poor, [00:20:00] we still have to face what we talked about earlier, the truth. So, you know, a lot of people, they go to these psychiatrists, doctors, and they ask for drugs for their depression. You speak out about that. I, I admire that a lot because I don't believe we need more drugs in our world.
[00:20:28] Ed Watters: I think we're creating dependencies and an easy fix that in, in essence, really dissolves the whole ether of our being. Why do people turn to drugs all the time?
[00:20:48] Ana Lennyr: So, you have to understand that before we didn't have antidepressants, right? So 22 years ago, when I was in university, right? And at that time, depression was not even considered a mental illness.
[00:21:01] Ana Lennyr: To be honest with you, when I started psychology, nobody said that depression is a mental illness, okay, right? And then the entire pharmaceutical and the antidepressant industry came over and they cannot fix things. So now we have a mental illness because, take the drugs, go to therapy, but don't expect any results, strategy.
[00:21:24] Ana Lennyr: It's a way of washing your hand of zero responsibility, right? But I'm gonna tell you right now a trick that's very, very important and I tell everybody that comes to me and they are on meds. Depression sits in the liver, depression as an emotion sits in the liver, which means the liver is like a, imagine it's like a filter,
[00:21:48] Ana Lennyr: right? So that filter is already clogged with the emotion, with a deep feeling of depression. Imagine adding to that pills, or any kind of other things, or not eating healthy, or all of it, it all has to go through the liver. So the more pills you're taking, the more suicidal you're going to be. And if you don't believe it, look at any antidepressant out there.
[00:22:16] Ana Lennyr: When you see it helps you with depression, it might give you suicide thoughts, which is the same thing,
[00:22:24] Ed Watters: Yeah, yeah.
[00:22:25] Ana Lennyr: right? So if you look at it deeply, at the side effects, right? I was, um, invited to a conference, the only conference probably that I was not able to attend because I was ready to kill somebody only because they had this conference.
[00:22:40] Ana Lennyr: I'm sorry about it. So they were doctors talking about the side effects of some, uh, depression medication that gives you uncontrolled tweaking of the face
[00:22:54] Ana Lennyr: and now they came up with a better drug to counteract the effects of that.
[00:23:11] Ed Watters: Yeah, yeah.
[00:23:12] Ana Lennyr: So their drugs that give you uncontrolled tweaking of your muscles in your face because of a drug they take for depression. And then there is another drug, more expensive, but it's, it's said to counter effect that. But nobody knows what the long term effects on that drug are because it's new,
[00:23:31] Ana Lennyr: right? So any new drug, you don't know what's gonna react in 20 years, you have no clue cause you don't know studies, right? So here is how we go on a roller coaster of pure stupidity, okay. When depression can be solved with no medication, no therapy, and in just a three to seven month journey, right? So we're going down,
[00:23:54] Ana Lennyr: how should I say? In exactly the avoidance that you have mentioned.
[00:23:59] Ed Watters: Yes. Yeah, that's, that's amazing. And we see it so often on television and, you know, radio broadcasts, all of these advertisements bombarding us with, you're depressed, take this, you're this, take that. We really need to turn inward and really identify our hurts and how to control our emotions of those hurts.
[00:24:32] Ana Lennyr: Or sometimes just ask the doctor, how long do I take, have to take this medicine until I'm all fixed? Or ask the therapist, what skills do I have to work with my child, right? Or how long do I have to stay in therapy until I see results? And when you gonna get your answers, right? But one of my mental,
[00:24:52] Ana Lennyr: One of my mentors says, don't be a sheep, don't be a sheep. Just [00:25:00] because everybody else is doing the wrong thing, you don't have to. After all it's your responsibility to fix yourself, your child, your family. Your relationship with your wife was your responsibility.
[00:25:14] Ed Watters: That's right. And I could have slacked that off and just ran, that would've been easier, way easier.
[00:25:21] Ed Watters: But, you know, the love that I found coming out of that hardship, it's amazing. And I can never, ever replace my wife with any, anything. So once we discover that and we, we face our own fears, our own emotions, our own entanglements that we put ourselves in, that might help us make better choices. And that really right there
[00:25:59] Ana Lennyr: And finding true love right next to you,
[00:26:01] Ana Lennyr: how about that?
[00:26:02] Ed Watters: Yes, that's right. You know, our, our life is what we make it. And once, once we start, like you just stated, getting out of that sheeple mentality and really discover who you are and challenge yourself, don't, don't slack. That's really what all of us need to end up doing.
[00:26:28] Ana Lennyr: Yes. Taking responsibility for your mistakes, for your feelings, for the lessons you need to learn.
[00:26:34] Ana Lennyr: We're here on the planet to learn from each other, not to hide each other.
[00:26:43] Ed Watters: Yeah. And a lot of us want to hide, you know, we do that well on social media, don't we?
[00:26:50] Ana Lennyr: Yes, yes. So everybody says, oh, I'm totally fine and I'm looking at their sad smile. I'm like, no, you're not. I can identify their face
[00:26:56] Ed Watters: That's right.
[00:26:57] Ana Lennyr: after their smile, right after.
[00:26:59] Ed Watters: That's right.
[00:27:01] Ana Lennyr: No, the kid is not okay and so you are not okay. These are the things that, how should I say, we, we have different masks, for this avoidance, we have different, different masks. And sometimes, how should I say, we, we, we think that if you look very well at that energy, you will never attach to that energy because you know it's a mask deep down inside, right?
[00:27:28] Ana Lennyr: On the other side, you know, all the social media doesn't help because everybody thinks, oh, I'm the only one unhappy, everybody else is happy. When it's not true in any way, shape, or form. Yes, there are different levels of hurt, like all three types of people in depression, okay. But don't be fooled by, you know, people who, how should I say?
[00:27:51] Ana Lennyr: Maybe they've never been happy and for them a flower is happiness,
[00:27:55] Ana Lennyr: right?
[00:27:56] Ana Lennyr: I have, I have clients who don't wanna finish our program, so I'm happy now. I'm like, you don't even know what happiness is. You just have one stage done, you have three more stages to go. You've never seen happiness in your life, but I'm happy now. You think you are, you never got to be happy yet,
[00:28:13] Ana Lennyr: ok, finish the program, right? Because people like me, and there are many people out there, they didn't, they didn't even know that happiness exists. You think it's only in the movies and that's because the actors are, are faking. You don't even know there is a, a, a, um, a life out there. You know there is only death from within, that's the only thing you, and every day you're dying from within.
[00:28:40] Ana Lennyr: And when I tell people stop dying, start living.
[00:28:44] Ed Watters: Yeah, very powerful right there. You know, we, we tend to like to hurt ourselves a lot of the times and a lot of that is our own thoughts.
[00:29:00] Ana Lennyr: Or because we don't know how to fix it, we don't know how to fix it, right? So, how should I say I, when I, when I went through this journey and I looked for mentors to get me out of depression, it took me weeks until I found two categories of people that have never been depressed on the planet.
[00:29:18] Ana Lennyr: If I have to ask you right now, what are the two categories of people that have never been depressed on the planet?
[00:29:27] Ed Watters: I couldn't tell you the answer to that.
[00:29:30] Ana Lennyr: Himalaya Yogi master and Charming monks. That's who I contacted for tips and tricks to get out of depression.
[00:29:42] Ed Watters: Huh?
[00:29:43] Ana Lennyr: Charming monks and Himalaya Yogi masters, they had those secrets for 5,000 years. Nobody even bothered to go and ask them.
[00:29:55] Ana Lennyr: Everybody else depressed on this planet.
[00:29:58] Ana Lennyr: Everybody else has been depressed [00:30:00] on this planet, specifically Christians. Cause I'm Christian, I'm Orthodox. Oh God, you see people suicidal who be Orthodox religion nonstop, nonstop, right? So this little tricks and tips may have always been there. Nobody even bothered to ask the only people that they've never gotten depressed on this planet.
[00:30:21] Ana Lennyr: They have nothing, but they've never been depressed.
[00:30:25] Ed Watters: Huh? That, that's just amazing to me. I've never even heard of that, somebody not ever being depressed.
[00:30:33] Ana Lennyr: Exactly.
[00:30:37] Ed Watters: uh, our, our time is coming to an end here, Ana, uh, How can people get a hold of you? And also, do you have a call to action for our listeners?
[00:30:52] Ana Lennyr: So for your listeners, I have some free resources, some free, um, workshops and some free courses.
[00:31:02] Ana Lennyr: And the best way to reach us is @betteraskana, with one N, dot com. Because nobody can pronounce my last name. Yes, we have a website analennyr.com, but nobody knows how to write that. So betteraskana, with one N dot com. We have free resources there for parents with children depressed. We have free resources for parents who want to save their children for, from depression.
[00:31:28] Ana Lennyr: For adults depressed, we have courses like about an hour and about 10 videos. About 10 minutes each explaining exactly the formula to overcome depression. You can do it yourself, go and do it, no problem, no strings attached. Everything is for free on that website, betteraskana, with one N dot com.
[00:31:50] Ed Watters: That is awesome that you do that for people.
[00:31:55] Ed Watters: I wanna just say thank you for spending time with us today, sharing your knowledge and your understanding about depression with us. I hope you enjoy your afternoon and thank you for being with us.
[00:32:08] Ana Lennyr: Thank you for raising awareness, thank you.
[00:32:15] Ed Watters: Thank you for joining us today. If you found this podcast enlightening, entertaining, educational in any way, please share, like, subscribe, and join us right back here next week for another great episode of Dead America Podcast. I'm Ed Watters your host, enjoy your afternoon wherever you may be.